cole thompson interview

We love photography interviews and today we are excited to bring you an interview with fine art photographer Cole Thompson.  Cole is a brilliant photographer and we are honored to have him here today sharing some of his wisdom with us!

an interview with cole thompson

by Caroline Jensen

Can you please touch on your practice of “Photographic Celibacy”? I found this quote on your blog:

“As I analyzed how I was working, I came to the conclusion that when I studied another photographer’s work, I was imprinting their style onto my conscious and subconscious mind.  And then when I photographed a scene, I found myself imitating their style rather than seeing it through my own vision.  To overcome this tendency I decided to stop looking at the work of other photographer’s, as much as was practically possible.”

This fascinates me! I have been doing a modified version of this for a while. Do you still practice this?

Yes, I have practiced Photographic Celibacy for about 5 years now.  What “Photographic Celibacy” means is that I do not look at other photographer’s work.  I don’t browse photo books, I don’t look at the images in photo magazines and I don’t seek out other’s work on the internet.

Why don’t I look at the work of others?

Several years ago I attended a portfolio review and during the final interview I showed my work to a gallery owner.  He briefly looked at it, brusquely pushed it back to me and said “It looks like you’re trying to imitate Ansel Adams.  I replied that I was, because I loved his work!  He then said something that would (eventually) change my life.

Ansel’s already done Ansel, what can you show me that demonstrates your vision?

After about two years of wrestling with this I finally had my epiphany: I was never going to do Ansel better than Ansel did Ansel, and so was my goal to be the world’s best Ansel Adams imitator?

Armed with this epiphany, I had this great desire to develop my own Vision, but what exactly was Vision?  After a lot of reading and thinking I came to the conclusion that Vision is simply the unique way that I see the world because of my life experiences.  I see things differently than others because I’ve had different experiences.

I also concluded that Vision is not developed, but discovered.  My vision was already there, created by my life experiences, and what I needed to do was to find and follow it.  I was so busy seeing the world through the eyes of other’s images that I was not seeing through my Vision.

I noticed that when I studied the work of others I would then try to recreate their look and sometimes even try to copy some of their specific images!  I concluded that to be able to follow my Vision, I needed to stop immersing myself in their Vision.

I knew I couldn’t erase a lifetime of images that were stored in my head, but my theory was that if I stopped focusing on their work, I could more easily find my Vision.  And as time went on I found that the influence of those stored images diminished and my Vision came out more and more.

Has it worked?  Yes, since pursuing Photographic Celibacy my work is better, more diverse and most importantly, it really is mine.  One of the great advantages I’m now enjoying is that when I go to a location to work, such as Iceland this September, I don’t have any idea of what others have done before me and I’ll not be tempted to copy their work.

This idea of Photographic Celibacy is not always well received by others.  What I often hear is “I love looking at the work of others and it inspires me.”

I can only speak from my own experience, but focusing on the work of others only inspired me to get out and copy.  Additionally, I found that looking at their work caused me to compare myself to others, which is not a positive thing.  I would become envious of someone else’s work and skills, which caused me to overlook my own talents and which stunted my growth.

I also found myself jumping from subject to subject and technique to technique as fads came and went.  I was like the wheat in the field, blown about with every wind, always following but never leading.

So, will I practice Photographic Celibacy forever?  I doubt it, but for right now, it works for me and I enjoy going down my own path rather than following others on theirs.

How do you cultivate your vision?

Here are some of the things I do to stay in touch with my vision:

  1. I don’t study the work of others.
  2. I don’t follow the rules of photography.  Following rules is the exact opposite of following one’s vision.  Over the years I have had people look at my images and tell me that my image didn’t follow the rule of thirds or that I shouldn’t have centered my subject.  I just smile and think how grateful I am that I don’t know or follow the rules!
  3. I set aside “alone time” to create.  I’ve tried to work while on family vacations or while out with other photographers, but I just cannot focus on my vision with others around.
  4. I get away for several days to create.  I find it takes me 2-3 days just to get my head clear and to start to “see.”
  5. I read the Edward Weston Day Books. I love Weston’s images, but I love his attitudes as an artist even more and they put me in the right mood to create.
  6. I listen to the Beatles.  Upon achieving success, artists are then afraid to stray outside of their successful formula.  But over time they become stagnant and lose their creative edge because they weren’t growing.  What has always impressed me about the Beatles is how they didn’t do that, their music was always changing and pushing new frontiers.  Their music reminds me to grow and change with my art.
  7. I cultivate attitudes that allow me to create unencumbered.  An important attitude I cultivate is to not care what others think about my work; I create for myself and I never consider how others will react to it, if they will like it or if it will sell.  My only goal is to create art that I love.
  8. Simplify.  I have found that it’s easy for me to fall in love with equipment and processes and not pay enough attention to my Vision.  To keep that in check, I have embarked on a program of simplification; I have simplified my equipment and processes to the bare essentials so to minimize distractions.

The term “Fine Art” is a bit of conundrum to me.   How do you define this term?

This topic has been on my mind for several years and I’m currently writing a blog entry about it.

How would I define fine art?  My short answer is: I wouldn’t.  I mean, who cares?  There will never be a definition that everyone agrees upon and it really doesn’t matter to me what someone else says anyway?  If I love an image and then find out that it’s not considered fine art, do I love it any less?

The only thing that I concern myself with is: Do I like the image and would I hang it on my wall?

I have a friend who looked at one of my images and said: this is not fine art because people don’t smile in fine art.

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This image may or may not be fine art, but I don’t think it’s because the girl smiled!

I think each of us defines what fine art is and it doesn’t really matter what anyone else thinks.

What is your photographic belief system? What rules (or lack of them) guide your process from idea to execution?

I do have some principles that I follow:

I must create from my own vision.

To create my best work, I must create for myself.

I never ask others about my work.

I create because I love to; not to win contests, sell art or to win praise.

I will keep things simple: my equipment, my processes and my images.

When did your shift from photographer to artist happen? Did you see or feel a change in your images after this realization?

My “conversion” to artist took place after I returned to photography in 2004, after a 35 year absence during which I raised a family and built a business.  Upon returning I was fortunate to meet a woman who became my mentor and luckily for me she was an artist who used photography (as opposed to a “photographer”).

She saw my rigid photographic rules as an impediment to my creative growth and over time she helped me to understand that it was okay to be a photographer and to document, but it was also okay to be an artist and to create.

Has my work changed since I achieved this mental shift?  Yes, very much so.

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This is “The Angel Gabriel” and I consider this to be the first image that I really created as an artist, armed with an awareness of my vision.  First let me tell the story of how this image was taken:

This is the Angel Gabriel.  I met him on the Newport Beach pier as he was eating French Fries out of a trash can.  He was homeless and hungry.  I asked him if he would help me with a photograph and in return, I would buy him lunch.

The pier was very crowded and I wanted to take a 30 second exposure so that everyone would disappear except Gabriel.  We tried a few shots and then Gabriel wanted to hold his bible.  The image worked and the only people you can see besides Gabriel are those “ghosts” who lingered long enough for the camera.

Gabriel and I then went into a restaurant to share a meal; he ordered steak with mushrooms and onions.  When it came, he ate it with his hands.  I discovered he was Romanian and so am I, so we talked about Romania.  He was simple, kind and a pleasure to talk with.  I asked Gabriel how I might contact him, in case I sold some of the photographs and wanted to share the money with him.

He said I should give the money to someone who could really use it; that he had everything that he needed. Then the Angel Gabriel walked away, content and carrying his only two possessions: a Bible and a bed roll.

When I asked Gabriel to stand there on that pier, I had an immediate “Vision” of how I wanted that image to look; I could “see” it in my mind’s eye.  As a photographer I’m not sure I would have then taken the next step to manipulate the image to match that Vision, but as an artist I was willing to do that.

How has my work changed since I made this mental shift to artist?  Most of my past work as a photographer was very traditional landscapes, and now my work has expanded into other areas.  It is more conceptual and I’d say “simpler.”  I still love landscapes, it’s in my blood, but even those landscapes have changed and become more conceptual.

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Swimming Towards the Light

This is an image I never would have been able to create as a photographer because I hadn’t yet found my Vision and I was too bound by rules which limited my thinking.

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Harbinger No. 1

Sometimes I find that my new images hearken back to my landscape roots, but are heavily influenced by my new thinking.  This is a landscape, but it has been manipulated to match my vision.

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Ceiling Lamp, Mourning Dove Ranch

This is a series that I would not have pursued as a photographer.  I was standing in a hotel lobby waiting to check out when I looked up and noticed how cool a ceiling lamp looked from directly below.  I moved the furniture out of the way, lay on my back and just looked at it with fascination.  That was the beginning of the Ceiling Lamp series.

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Auschwitz No. 14

“The Ghosts of Auschwitz-Birkenau” series is about as different from my traditional work as I could get.  It is a series of ghost images created at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Has my work changed since I made the mental shift to artist?  Yes, and in my opinion for the better.  Most importantly I’m happier with my work because I’m forging new ground and the work is truly mine.  I am now proud of my images because of how I feel about them, not because of the awards, exhibitions or accolades they have received.

What are your views on photographic manipulation?

When I thought like a photographer the idea of manipulating an image was abhorrent to me, but now when someone asks “do you manipulate your images?” I reply “Yes!”  As an artist it is my job to manipulate my images, to bring them into compliance with my vision.  I am not documenting a scene, but showing others how I see the world.

As a photographer I used to think that my photographs told “the” truth and now I understand that they really only tell “a” truth.  Really, everything I did as photographer manipulated the image; how I framed the shot, the focal length I chose, my exposure, how I cropped the image and how I processed it.  Everything I did changed the story that my images told.

Once I came to appreciate this I realized that manipulating my images was not a photographic sin!  I was suddenly free to “create” rather than “capture.”  This opened up the creative process to me and it was very liberating.

When I look back now, I am mystified at how I could have felt such guilt in manipulating an image!

Are there ways that I personally wouldn’t manipulate an image?  Sure, but not because there’s anything wrong with those manipulations, but rather because they don’t fit into my Vision or style.

Not long ago I had someone anonymously write and say that they could tell by the shadows that I had inserted this cloud into my image:

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Harbinger No. 1

I was offended, because I had not inserted that cloud!

I had to ask myself why I was so offended at that accusation, regardless if it were true or not.  Was it because I still clung to some of my old “photographer ethics” which said such a thing was wrong and I didn’t want anyone to think I had crossed that line?

Each person must decide for themselves what they are comfortable doing and I have long ago stopped judging what others do and just focus on my art.

What advice would you give a photographer that would like to move into the fine art realm?

I’d ask them why they want to get into fine art.  If the answer is “to make money” then I’d have a good long laugh and wish them well.  But if it’s because they have this burning desire to create work that they love, then I’d give them this advice:

Believe in yourself and have faith in your creative abilities.  I was raised in a home with no exposure to art or music and I came away convinced that I was born without a creative gene.  That’s part of the reason I pursued photography, I thought that by becoming a great technician I could compensate for my lack of creative abilities.  Fortunately I learned that I do have those abilities; that they were simply undiscovered and atrophied from lack of use.  I also came away from my experience with a strong conviction that every single person has these creative abilities. Guaranteed!

Find your vision.  How do you see the world differently because of your life experiences?  It’s a long and hard road to find your vision, mine took two years, but it is essential to create work that you love and are proud of.

Throw away your photographer mentality and let yourself go!  Break out of your photographer role; do anything and everything and break all the rules.

Think of yourself as an artist.  To help me make this mental shift I stopped saying things like “take a photo” and instead said “create an image.”  I called myself an artist and referred to my work as art.  At first that was hard for me to do because I felt a fraud, but over time I started believing it and actually became it.  These were small things, but they helped remind me of what I wanted to become.

Create out of love and not for money or recognition.  I cannot create my best work if my motives are fame or fortune.  For this reason I have come to conclude that money and art do not mix.

Be independent.  Don’t ask people what they think of your work and don’t care either.  Create only to please yourself because at the end of the day, it’s only you, your art and how you feel about it.

Focus on the creative.  As important as good equipment and technical skills are, they alone do not create great images.  Focus on the creative and use your equipment and technical skills to support your Vision.

Have fun.  Creating should be fun and not a job, and not something that must be completed by a certain deadline.  Those things are “creativity killers!”

What is your favorite image or series of images in your portfolio and why?

You might as well ask which of my children is my favorite child.  That’s impossible for me to answer!

One of my favorites is The Angel Gabriel above, but I have several other favorites:

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Flaming Dahlia

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Windsurfing

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Auschwitz No. 14

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Old Car Interior

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Lone Man No. 20

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Primordial Soup

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Monolith No. 10

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John Holland Memorial

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Skeleton

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Dunes of Nude No. 43

When you have a vision you want to create, how do you solve the problem of how to do it? For instance, if you want to create a certain look or effect, where do you turn to learn new techniques? Do you learn by experimenting or turn to books or videos?

I am self taught and have never taken a photography class or workshop.  I like to learn by doing and experimenting and so when I have a vision of what my image should look like and have reached the end of my technical skills, I simply start trying things.  I have always figured something out, and while it may not always be an elegant approach, it works.

Popular Photography called me the “Photoshop Heretic” because I use Photoshop in an unorthodox way.  I used to be embarrassed about that, but now realize that it doesn’t matter how you get there, as long as you do get there.

People are surprised to learn that I create most all of my images using only six tools in Photoshop.  I have an extremely simple workflow and most of my creative work is done through dodging and burning.  You can read more about my workflow here.

Each person has their own way of learning, and mine is “hands on.”  Others read the manual, some take a class and others prefer to watch a YouTube video.

One thing I do caution people about is becoming addicted to new processes and techniques.  There are certain fads that sweep through the photographic community such as HDR, and then you’ll see everyone doing it.  Then it will be shift-tilt, and then long exposures and then something else.

From my experience, Vision does not flow out of fads or techniques but rather it’s the other way around: Vision can drive you to use certain techniques.  That’s why I always recommend pursuing the creative first and then learning the skills needed to support that vision.

How important is gear in your work?

“A photographer went to a socialite party in New York.  As he entered the front door, the host said ‘I love your pictures – they’re wonderful; you must have a fantastic camera.’  He said nothing until dinner was finished, then:

‘That was a wonderful dinner; you must have a terrific Stove.’”  Sam Haskins

For many years I thought I had to have the best equipment and a wide range of technical skills before I could create good images.  I reasoned that unless the tools and technical skills were in place, I could not execute my ideas.

But in the end I spent 99% of my time on equipment and processes and neglected the creative.  Photography became an expensive hobby as I collected equipment, accessories and learned tons of new processes.  The problem was that they became my goal, not a tool to achieve a goal.

I see a lot of photographers who focus on equipment.  It is easy to detect this kind of thinking by the questions people ask me when looking at my images.  Often times the questions are:
“What camera and lens did you use?”
“What were your settings?”
“Did you use the XYZ plug-in to convert this image to black and white?”

These questions imply that the key to my image’s success was equipment or settings, and if they just could duplicate these, they could create such an image.  Wrong mon ami!

What is the role of equipment in the creative process?  Let me introduce you to “Cole’s Rule of Thirds.”

Cole’s Rule of Thirds

A great image is comprised of 1/3 vision, 1/3 the shot and 1/3 processing
A great image begins and ends with your vision.  Vision is a tough concept to describe, but I think each of us instinctively knows how we want our image to look, and our job as an artist is to bring that image into compliance with our vision.
When we pursue an image with vision, then equipment and process becomes the servant and the creative process is the master.  It’s only then that great images can occur.
Vision is everything.

How important is equipment?  It’s important but not nearly as important as we’d like to think.  If I had to choose between the world’s best camera and no vision, or an old Kodak Brownie accompanied with Vision; I’ll happily take the Brownie.

What has been your biggest photography related challenge?

Getting over myself.
Eliminating my desire to please others.
Wanting and needing validation.

I used to think that if I could please someone else; a critic, a gallery owner or professor, then I would feel good about myself and my work.  I believed that if my work was chosen for an exhibition or I had my work published, then birds would sing, the sun would shine and life would be wonderful!

But what I instead found was the accolades were great for a few minutes, but then it was all over.  In the morning it was still me, my images and how I felt about them.  Receiving the recognition was nice, but it wasn’t a substitute for feeling good about my work.

That’s one of the great benefits of getting older, you start to get over yourself and realize that what you think about your work is much more important than what others think of your work.

You work exclusively in black and white for your art work. Are your personal photos also black and white or do you navigate into color for your personal memories?  Do you have trouble letting go of your art in your personal photos?

All of my family photos are shot on an iPhone 5 and in color!  On a family vacation, all I want to do is “point and shoot” without any thinking.

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Kihei, Hawaii – 2013

What is your definition of success? Have you achieved this?

For many years I pursued the “standard” definition of success: fame, fortune, to be represented in a big-name gallery and to have a book published.  For too long I coveted those things without ever stopping to ask if this was “my” definitions of success.

Once I started to achieve those things, they brought about a temporary pleasure, but also an emptiness that left me wondering, is this it?  I started to ask what was it that “I” really wanted and it came down to this:
To do what I want and to create work that I love.

And so to a great degree I have achieved success.  I create for myself, I love my work (some more than others) and I get to travel to incredible places.  Really, what more could I want photographically?

I think it’s also important to note that photography is not my life, it is something that I do that makes my life better.

What is your view of our fast-paced digital world? Do you think that iPhoneography or similar is a benefit or a detriment to the photographic artist?

I think iPhoneography is just another tool and if it’s useful to serve your vision, then it’s a good thing.  Let me tell a story that just happened to me.

I was in St. Petersburg, Russia photographing some trees at Peterhof.  While there I also pulled out my iPhone and took a picture for the family album (I am the designated picture taker in our family). When I got home and began processing the trees, I didn’t find a single image that I liked.  Disappointed and about to give up, I remembered that single image I took with my iPhone.

Compositionally, the iPhone image worked but I doubted that it could be printed to any reasonable size since it was shot with an iPhone and then severely cropped into a panorama.  But I was pleasantly surprised when I printed it at 15 inches wide and it looked great!

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Peterhof

Should I not take this image as seriously as my others, simply because it was created on an iPhone?  My personal philosophy is: all that matters is the image and do I like it?

Cameras, lenses and all the rest are simply tools.  It’s vision, imagination and breaking the rules that creates great images.

Regarding the larger question of digital versus the old ways; I lived with those old ways for many years (I started in the darkroom in 1968) and I have to tell you that while I have some fond memories, I would never go back.  I love the digital world and my work has never looked better.

Thank you Cole for spending some time with us today and sharing your insights with us!

Would you like to see even more of Cole’s wonderful photography?  Make sure you visit his website, blog, and facebook to view his images.  Don’t forget to also follow him on twitter and pinterest!

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29 Responses to “cole thompson interview”

  1. Aug 07 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    thank you for hitting on so many things i’ve been thinking about. i really thought this interview was great!

  2. Aug 07 2013 at 10:47 pm #

    So very inspiring, thank you for the wonderful interview!

  3. Aug 07 2013 at 11:02 pm #

    Thank you for sharing your artistic journey. I felt your authenticity and appreciated your candidness.

  4. Kim Peterson
    Aug 08 2013 at 12:55 am #

    I love what you have shared here!!!! Thank you so much!!

  5. Mabel
    Aug 08 2013 at 12:59 am #

    Fantastic interview and wonderful advice!

  6. Aug 08 2013 at 1:56 am #

    WOW. This is incredibly compelling and provocative. I’ll come back and read this several times more; your words really resonate. Thanks, Cole, for sharing so much with us!!

  7. Aug 08 2013 at 2:00 am #

    Fantastic interview — a couple of times, I was thinking “wait, did someone just peek inside my head?”

  8. Aug 08 2013 at 2:43 am #

    What an interview! As Sarah said, I’ll be coming back and reading this over and over. Cole touched on so many issues I struggle with, and I appreciate his honest approach to ‘getting over them.’

    There are so many golden nuggets in this one! Thanks for taking the time to answer these compelling questions!

  9. Gea
    Aug 08 2013 at 3:42 am #

    Thank you so much for this interview, this really resonated with me !

  10. Carole
    Aug 08 2013 at 8:03 am #

    This is an interview that I should read every week just to start off on the right foot. I want to remember these words when I compromise my ideals just to “fit in.”

  11. Lindsay
    Aug 08 2013 at 9:09 am #

    I really enjoyed your insights, very liberating!

  12. Aug 08 2013 at 9:31 am #

    Fantastic interview and photographs. I especially loved Cole’s statement, ” It’s vision, imagination and breaking the rules that creates great images”. Very inspiring read!

  13. Aug 08 2013 at 10:28 am #

    Incredibly personal and intimate interview. Thank you for introducing me to Cole’s work, I found myself very drawn to his images. I have a lot of evolving to do as an artist!

  14. Anne Manning
    Aug 08 2013 at 10:41 am #

    Fantastic interview — enjoyed reading his perspective on photography, the journey and creating art.

  15. Aug 08 2013 at 2:47 pm #

    Wow! I really enjoyed this. Will be reading again and again. Thanks so much!

  16. Aug 08 2013 at 4:39 pm #

    Beautiful and inspiring interview with so much food for thought. Thank-you for sharing so much.
    l am so excited to see CM bringing us such thought provoking interviews.

  17. Aug 09 2013 at 10:06 am #

    I’m going to print this interview and keep it handy because I’m sure I will read it several times. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us :)

  18. Jess Harms
    Aug 09 2013 at 1:23 pm #

    My mind? Blown. This the the most honest, deep and thought provoking post I have ever seen on the CM blog. Thank you for sharing so openly with us, Cole. I am changed.

  19. Aug 11 2013 at 4:29 am #

    Wonderful interview. I really enjoyed learning about your artistic vision and thought process. Thank you for sharing with us Cole.

  20. Kimberly Knudsen
    Aug 11 2013 at 5:30 pm #

    Create out of love not for recognition. I think I need that blown up on my wall at home. Great article.

  21. Aug 11 2013 at 9:48 pm #

    Thank you all for such a warm welcome! I appreciated all of you comments very much.

    Cole

  22. Celia
    Aug 13 2013 at 3:13 am #

    Your images are stunning and I loved hearing about your Vision as an artist. Your words are thought provoking and memorable. Thank you so much for sharing!

  23. Aug 14 2013 at 8:41 am #

    Such an inspiring interview! Thank you so much for sharing so much with us. These are such great works to live by.

  24. Jessica Reischel
    Aug 21 2013 at 1:09 am #

    Much much gratitude. This made my heart skip a beat. Thank you!

  25. Aug 22 2013 at 9:46 am #

    Thank you for your insightful post on the creative process. Over the last year I’ve inundated myself with following other’s blog posts, taking in many images. And joining on-line photo groups (365 project). Feeling the pressure to upload images everyday, has taken precious time away from incubating and executing personal projects that have personal meaning for me. Looking at “professionals” work can increase doubt with regards to my own work.
    No more following yo,u Cole :) Seriously, I’ve become more interested on what artists have to say about their creative process than how I can get my images to achieve their level of excellence. Just last week, my mother told me I need to find my own unique vision. I do feel, that in the process of exploration, a mentor can be of value.

  26. Sep 13 2013 at 3:14 pm #

    wonderful and inspiring interview. I am sitting on my hands so not to click on the link to see more of your work ;) Ha! just kidding! Not ready for celibacy yet!

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